Please provide a new setting: verticalScrollBarWidth #12653

@StephenLPeters commented on GitHub (Feb 7, 2022):

Yes, although we should confirm that this resource is the only one that you need access to in order to fulfill your design. Its possible that you'd also need to change the roundedness of the corners or the margin from the edge of the well, or something like that. Maybe we can pull the nuget package from our PR pipeline and test that terminal is able to make the changes you need. I'll make the PR now.

@StephenLPeters commented on GitHub (Feb 7, 2022): Yes, although we should confirm that this resource is the only one that you need access to in order to fulfill your design. Its possible that you'd also need to change the roundedness of the corners or the margin from the edge of the well, or something like that. Maybe we can pull the nuget package from our PR pipeline and test that terminal is able to make the changes you need. I'll make the PR now.

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@zadjii-msft commented on GitHub (Feb 7, 2022):

Team discussion:

yeeting a experimental feature into the OS as a bugfix is not the right move, especially one that we don't have runway to remove the experimental aspect before snapping the last OS build.
We should just patch the scrollbar width for what it used to be. That would be the simplest fix......

Oh look at that. He just fixed it like that, because he's the best. https://github.com/microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml/pull/6686. Thanks!

That might change our previously discussed plans. More discussion to follow tomorrow, I'm sure.

@zadjii-msft commented on GitHub (Feb 7, 2022): Team discussion: * yeeting a `experimental` feature into the OS as a bugfix is not the right move, especially one that we don't have runway to remove the `experimental` aspect before snapping the last OS build. * We should just patch the scrollbar width for what it used to be. That would be the _simplest_ fix...... Oh look at that. He just fixed it like that, because he's the best. https://github.com/microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml/pull/6686. Thanks! That might change our previously discussed plans. More discussion to follow tomorrow, I'm sure.

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@StephenLPeters commented on GitHub (Feb 7, 2022):

I suspect there is more that is needed to make this look correct.. for instance the chevrons are also miss sized so we'll need to figure out the set of resources that are needed.

@StephenLPeters commented on GitHub (Feb 7, 2022): I suspect there is more that is needed to make this look correct.. for instance the chevrons are also miss sized so we'll need to figure out the set of resources that are needed.

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@jvincent-siplay commented on GitHub (Aug 17, 2022):

I'm sorry, I need to downvote this. I completely agree that the scrollbars are too thin, but we really should not be configuring scrollbars separately for every app. Scrollbars have gotten too thin everywhere (Feedback hub, Window News, Xbox apps, every single Electron app, the list goes on.) This really needs to be pushed up to some Microsoft UI team so we can control this globally at the OS level for all apps.

@jvincent-siplay commented on GitHub (Aug 17, 2022): I'm sorry, I need to downvote this. I completely agree that the scrollbars are too thin, but we really should not be configuring scrollbars separately for every app. Scrollbars have gotten too thin **everywhere** (Feedback hub, Window News, Xbox apps, every single Electron app, the list goes on.) This really needs to be pushed up to some Microsoft UI team so we can control this globally at the OS level for all apps.

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@mailinglists35 commented on GitHub (Aug 19, 2022):

until you find the right place to file the issue with microsoft, downvoting this helps no one.
other than that, I agree this needs to be addressed system wide. even in the edge browser I am typing now there is inconsistence between the width of the page scroll bar and the scroll bar of the vertical tabs 🙈

@mailinglists35 commented on GitHub (Aug 19, 2022): until you find the right place to file the issue with microsoft, downvoting this helps no one. other than that, I agree this needs to be addressed system wide. even in the edge browser I am typing now there is inconsistence between the width of the page scroll bar and the scroll bar of the vertical tabs 🙈

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@DHowett commented on GitHub (Aug 19, 2022):

Actually, you know what? I'm inclined to agree with @jvincent-siplay. No other application in common use today offers this kind of customization--if it would, does it offer a switch for making the buttons smaller or larger? Or making the status bar taller or shorter? The caption controls smaller, redder, or more translucent?--and so I don't think we should either. I would say that downvoting this issue has helped us, as I think it's going to clear this thing off our backlog that shouldn't be on it.

The Terminal team is able to funnel these feature requests to the right people, but we have no special ability to make sure they get acted on.

@DHowett commented on GitHub (Aug 19, 2022): Actually, you know what? I'm inclined to agree with @jvincent-siplay. No other application in common use today offers this kind of customization--if it would, does it offer a switch for making the buttons smaller or larger? Or making the status bar taller or shorter? The caption controls smaller, redder, or more translucent?--and so I don't think we should either. I would say that downvoting this issue _has_ helped us, as I think it's going to clear this thing off our backlog that shouldn't be on it. The Terminal team is able to funnel these feature requests to the right people, but we have no special ability to make sure they get acted on.

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@mailinglists35 commented on GitHub (Aug 21, 2022):

no application offers customization

the problem is microsoft terminal is a rebel citizen in windows 10

see how other native microsoft apps have their scrollbars in windows 10:

device manager, command prompt, explorer, task manager, edge, uwp settings app

@mailinglists35 commented on GitHub (Aug 21, 2022): >no application offers customization the problem is microsoft terminal is a rebel citizen in windows 10 see how other native microsoft apps have their scrollbars in windows 10: device manager, command prompt, explorer, task manager, edge, uwp settings app

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@mailinglists35 commented on GitHub (Aug 21, 2022):

@mailinglists35 commented on GitHub (Aug 21, 2022): ![image](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/2054302/185809862-b988f11c-9159-4aed-81df-33eeebd5ba6b.png)

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@mailinglists35 commented on GitHub (Aug 21, 2022):

what all these scrollbars have in common? they're all usable. they're usable interactive ui elements, not just page progress indicators like terminal does. yes, you can click terminal scroll bar, but at the high cost of wasted time due to terrible low mouse grab precision which ends up giving up using it.

if you call customization the ability to be usable... then I am left with no other argument.

@mailinglists35 commented on GitHub (Aug 21, 2022): what all these scrollbars have in common? they're all *usable*. they're usable interactive ui elements, not just page progress indicators like terminal does. yes, you can click terminal scroll bar, but at the high cost of wasted time due to terrible low mouse grab precision which ends up giving up using it. if you call customization the ability to be *usable*... then I am left with no other argument.

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@shinebayar-g commented on GitHub (Dec 3, 2022):

too damn hard to grab even notice where the scroll bar is at .. lol
while title bar is wide as ocean. Try to find the scroll bar.

Why can't this version be default? It's soo much better. But only shows up when you hover on the thin line.

@shinebayar-g commented on GitHub (Dec 3, 2022): too damn hard to grab even notice where the scroll bar is at .. lol while title bar is wide as ocean. Try to find the scroll bar. <img width="482" alt="image" src="https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3091558/205436369-394a3b6b-a7d2-457e-8cd4-80987ea5f7c0.png"> Why can't this version be default? It's soo much better. But only shows up when you hover on the thin line. <img width="343" alt="image" src="https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3091558/205436435-ee15303f-3abd-4773-902e-dfcc3d1a887d.png">

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@mailinglists35 commented on GitHub (Dec 13, 2022):

too damn hard to grab even notice where the scroll bar is at .. lol

while title bar is wide as ocean. Try to find the scroll bar.

Why can't this version be default? It's soo much better.

I presume that the team/person in charge has prioritized visibility/aestethics over usability.

They must think "the bar is just an indicator, nobody actually clicks it to scroll, everyone simply usees the mouse wheel for scrolling".

The scary thought is however, "what if they guessed right, and we - users of precision click and drag on scrollbar - are now just a minority?"

There can be no other explanation for this monstruous absurdity, a huge wide titlebar and a tiny scrollbar.

@mailinglists35 commented on GitHub (Dec 13, 2022): > too damn hard to grab even notice where the scroll bar is at .. lol > > while title bar is wide as ocean. Try to find the scroll bar. > > <img width="482" alt="image" src="https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3091558/205436369-394a3b6b-a7d2-457e-8cd4-80987ea5f7c0.png"> > > > > > > Why can't this version be default? It's soo much better. I presume that the team/person in charge has prioritized visibility/aestethics over usability. They must think "the bar is just an indicator, nobody actually clicks it to scroll, everyone simply usees the mouse wheel for scrolling". The scary thought is however, "what if they guessed right, and we - users of precision click and drag on scrollbar - are now just a minority?" There can be no other explanation for this monstruous absurdity, a huge wide titlebar and a tiny scrollbar.

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@zadjii-msft commented on GitHub (Dec 13, 2022):

Why can't this version be default? It's soo much better. But only shows up when you hover on the thin line.
[screenshot]

FWIW, that was added in #14047, and is shipping in 1.17.

We also changed the width of the Terminal's scrollbar to align with the rest of the OS's scrollbar's in #12608, back in 1.14. We're a WinUI-style scrollbar, with a ComCtl-style width now.

They must think "the bar is just an indicator, nobody actually clicks it to scroll

🤔

In general, the Terminal repo isn't the right place for feedback on the design of the WinUI scroll bars. A better place for your feedback would be: https://github.com/microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml/discussions/7422

@zadjii-msft commented on GitHub (Dec 13, 2022): > Why can't this version be default? It's soo much better. But only shows up when you hover on the thin line. > [screenshot] FWIW, that was added in #14047, and is shipping in 1.17. <hr> We also changed the width of the Terminal's scrollbar to align with the rest of the OS's scrollbar's in #12608, back in 1.14. We're a WinUI-style scrollbar, with a ComCtl-style width now. <hr> > They must think "the bar is just an indicator, nobody actually clicks it to scroll ![9218-whinging-000](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/18356694/207456161-6f0e77d1-325f-4cda-a278-cbd63b0e5064.gif) 🤔 In general, the Terminal repo isn't the right place for feedback on the design of the WinUI scroll bars. A better place for your feedback would be: https://github.com/microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml/discussions/7422

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