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Originally created by @garretwilson on GitHub (Sep 30, 2022).
Originally assigned to: @DHowett, @zadjii-msft on GitHub.
I'm finding the version indication confusing. My use case is simple:
That seems to be a reasonable sequence of events for any software for a power user. But with Windows Terminal, this is what happens:
Microsoft.WindowsTerminal_Win10_1.14.1962.0_8wekyb3d8bbwe.msixbundle, because that's the last installer I have saved.Aboutin Windows Terminal shows v1.15.2712.0. Did it auto-update at some point? Maybe; I don't remember. But no problem, I can just check the changelog, right?1.15.2712.0. It isn't found.v1.15.2524.0. Oh, so maybe they are chopping off digits in the official version number? Is GitHub doing this?I'm a little confused here.
@natedotzlaf commented on GitHub (Sep 30, 2022):
Similar issue. Application stopped launching today so I installed the latest release version and received the following:
"Windows cannot install package Microsoft.WindowsTerminal_1.15.2524.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe because it has version 1.15.2524.0. A higher version 1.15.2712.0 of this package is already installed."
I do not have the exact version that was originally installed, but it was installed in Nov 2021, so needless to say it wasn't 2524 or 2712. Was an update pushed too early? Also confused....
@DHowett commented on GitHub (Oct 8, 2022):
Thanks for bringing this up! It's definitely an issue, but more one of poor communication than anything else.
Every build of Terminal that we publish to the store is actually two packages, targeting different versions of Windows. For various reasons, those packages cannot have the same version number; they are, however, built from the same code. For various other reasons, the final version component must be
0.Because of that, building Terminal will produce two packages versioned
1.0.101.0and1.0.102.0. You're right about the chopping: those two packages are considered part of the1.0.10release cycle (stripping the final digit that indicates which one built first).I've therefore been releasing them both under the "1.0.10" banner, but I've been tagging the release to match the first-produced package (in this case,
v1.0.101.0)The feedback here indicates that I should change:
v1.0.10)1.0or2.0(or really, the ones place from the revision and the vestigial.0)The last bit is that I did not publish the changelog for the 1.15.271 release cycle. Sorry about that. ☹️
@garretwilson commented on GitHub (Oct 8, 2022):
This is completely nonstandard and in conflict with Semantic Versioning comparison rules. It will break any automated admin tools that makes decisions about upgrading, not to mention causing humans the type of confusion that happened here. Pretending that
101is really10is wrong on so many levels. The reasons versions have dots to begin with is to serve as delimiters so that we don't have to guess where an arbitrary convention is dividing the version number.Please consider changing to a conventional approach. Semantic versioning has "metadata" for exactly this kind of situation. If Windows can't handle semantic versioning, well, that's another story. But arbitrarily placing invisible delimiters within the version string is not a good workaround.
@garretwilson commented on GitHub (Oct 8, 2022):
Sorry if I jumped the gun and commented before I saw the rest of your reply.
As for what you should do, above all you should be following Semantic Versioning. This would mean:
100and101somewhere to mean10"under the covers" so to speak, fine, as long as the "never see the light of day". There should only be one version number, and they should be in sequence sorted by each component. (See semantic version comparison rules.)1.0.10release cycle, then yes, the Git commit should be tagged with something likev1.0.10.1.0.10.1.0.10+0/1.0.10+1or1.0.10+a/1.0.10+bor1.0.10+win.10/1.0.10+win.11. (The latter is probably closer to what you want.). There is lots of leeway for the metadata, because the semver spec makes it clear that it does not affect the version comparison.@garretwilson commented on GitHub (Oct 8, 2022):
Oh, I see now that the
1.0and2.0are actually a separate versioning scheme you've appended to the main "release cycle" version number. So another easy approach for you would be to simply insert a+before the1.0/2.0, producing1.0.10+1.0/1.0.10+2.0. This meets your needs, removes all confuses, brings semver compatibility, and (hopefully) can be done with the most trivial of code changes.@DHowett commented on GitHub (Oct 11, 2022):
Oh, it's so much worse than all that. We were never intentionally trying to follow SemVer (though I do hold it in high regard, and wish I could stay within its light), but until recently we somewhat were.
The real issue here is the Windows Store. In an ideal world, Terminal would just follow semantic versioning and call it a day. Unfortunately, we're regretfully hampered by a couple limitations.
maj.min.rev.buildbuild) must be0(limitation 2)Under the hood, we actually use a date-based versioning scheme. It's "okay" for most purposes and always monotonically increasing. That is,
maj.min.YYMM.DDBBBwhereBBBis the build number from that day (just to deduplicate multiple builds produced on the same day.) That results in this mouthful (for executable files packaged with Terminal):Now, for limitation 4: we want to follow this versioning scheme because that's the one used by all internally-produced Windows applications that build outside the operating system. I know, it's not a great reason. It could even be called an artificial limitation.
Anyway, due to limitation 2 above, we get to compress the available version space into three components for the final package file that gets uploaded to the store. Thanks to limitation 1, we can't exactly store
YYMMDDBBB(or evenYYMMDDB) in 14 bits. There's probably a way for us to do it that would break around the decade rollover, but... I digress.The internally-popular versioning implementation has an answer to this, though! Epoch and day count.
maj.min.EDDDB.0.Eis the number of years sincemaj.minwas minted,DDDis the 3-digit day-of-year, andBis of course the same deduplicating build number. Leading zeroes are dropped.If taken as a historical relic that we shouldn't talk about, all of this would be fine...
...until I had to produce two nearly identical versions of the application during the same build. The format doesn't leave us a lot of fields to work with, so we opted to increment the
Bportion of the version number. That's where the1.0and2.0are coming from:1is the first build of the day, and2is its fraternal twin counterpart. It's kinda like we stuck the1.0and2.0on afterwards, but they were derived from the above calculation.Anyway, all this so that now I'm looking for options that reduce the cognitive dissonance.
The store APIs (and those for package servicing) will expose any version number we encode in our package, even if it's for mechanical/deployment purposes only. I don't think I could ever get rid of it from the public eye entirely.
I wish! I think the store just compares the version as a 64-bit number.
Thoughts
I'd love to switch over to semver, and I think Azure DevOps supports storing an ever-incrementing variable across runs that we could key on the
maj.minversion number pair; that could be an easy way to fix this issue... for future releases. Admittedly, that would mean the builds that never see the light of day take up version number slots. I don't know if I care about that.Citing sources
The part of the code that increments
Bfor the twin package21a9c55752/custom.props (L5-L15)The commit whose body describes (in brief) how all this versioning works for our different product outputs
e22487d10b@Molkree commented on GitHub (Oct 11, 2022):
I wish GitHub had 😱 as a reaction to posts, that was literally me when reading this explanation.
@garretwilson commented on GitHub (Oct 11, 2022):
Don't forget this one: 🤦♂️
@zadjii-msft commented on GitHub (Oct 24, 2022):
Looping back on this - I'm yanking triage and converting this to track specifically:
@zadjii-msft commented on GitHub (Jan 3, 2023):
FWIW I think this might do the second bit,
but I'm not quite sure how to fake this. Might need to trick VS into building and signing a straight up appx...The first bit is just paperwork.
@ghost commented on GitHub (Jan 24, 2023):
:tada:This issue was addressed in #14660, which has now been successfully released as
Windows Terminal Preview v1.17.1023.🎉Handy links: