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Feature Request: wt.exe to return PID of new child process on Standard Output
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opened 2026-01-31 06:44:04 +00:00 by claunia
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Originally created by @martin-rueegg on GitHub (Feb 25, 2023).
Description of the new feature/enhancement
In some scenarios it is important to be able to store the PID of a newly created shell (to kill it or wait for its termination asynchronously, to name two).
When launching a new
wt.exeinstance in order to run a command in another tab or split-pane, the console is actually instantiated from the already running instance. Hence, the calling instance terminates and the new console is not a child of the invoking console.While it makes no sense to keep all the WT instances alive, it would be great if the PID of the newly created console could be returned on standard output, upon request.
Proposed technical implementation details (optional)
Add an additional option that is used when launching a new command, console, tab, or pane, e.g.
--return-pidthat would return the PID of the invoked child process, ifwt.exeterminates.@DHowett commented on GitHub (Feb 27, 2023):
This might be better-served by
wt --waitas proposed in #8856; would you agree? After all,wtmight spawn more than one process (in the case ofwt split-pane x; split-pane y) and then we're getting dangerously close to specifying a protocol rather than simply returning a pid.@martin-rueegg commented on GitHub (Feb 27, 2023):
Thanks, @DHowett, for looking into this.
I do understand where you're coming from regarding specifying a protocol. However, most likely
--waitwill not work, becausewt.exe (new)might hand over the execution of the child process to an already existingwt.exe (existing), as described by @zadjii-msft in this comment. In which case thechild.exewould not be an actual child ofwt.exe (new), butwt.exe (existing)in terms of process tree.This was actually the reason why I was asking to return the PIDs. Because in my case it is about the process tree. (Specifically I am using gsudo and would want to inherit the credential cache to the newly created
child.exe.So the solution proposed here, would allow the user to have further control on the processes, like retrieving information with
tasklist /fi "PID eq 1234" /Vor killing it withtaskkill /pid 1234In fact, returning the PID(s) might also be a solution for the other use case, as it is quite simple to then wait for those processes to end:
(Credits: PA. @ https://stackoverflow.com/a/22559493/3102305)
Of course it could be an option that
wt.exe --waitdoes that job for the user and returns only, when all the "child" PIDs are gone. But both concepts could rely on the same internal implementation of getting the child PIDs fromwt.exe (existing).Regarding the protocol: would it not make sense to return a semi-colon separated list of PIDs, where the number of semicolons match the number of semicolons in the command line arguments to
wt.exe (new)and each PID corresponds to the respective subcommand?@zadjii-msft commented on GitHub (Mar 1, 2023):
We've actually been having some discussions offline about what
wt --waitmeans after #14843 and I think we've got a lot of new ideas that would make this work after all. I think the thing we're considering is thatwt --waitwould wait for all the children spawned by that commandline to exit, without necessarily waiting on the root terminal process (which will likely outlive those processes).I'd much rather do that than try and return something on standard out.
But also, might it not just be easier to spawn
cmd.exe, and just let the "default terminal" functionality (in Windows 11) parent the client to the Terminal of the user's choice? So, you're not waiting on the Terminal process, but the client app you actually care about/?@martin-rueegg commented on GitHub (Mar 2, 2023):
Thank you, @zadjii-msft for your reply and your considerations.
Sounds promising!
Makes total sense. But it's a different use case.
What is the issue about returning something on the standard out? I assume, normally there would never be output on STDOUT, but only on STDERR, e.g. in case a subcomand was not found. Hence, the STDOUT could easily be used without breaking backwards compatibility, as there would only be output if the user explicitly asks for the PIDs to be returned using
--return-pid.Well, the WT has the possibility of having multiple panes in one tab, which is amazing. In one example I'm using that functionality to show in one tab
Use-case
Let's assume, I have a
script.batthat starts ahttpd.exein foreground-mode, and onetail.exe -f /path/to/error.log. Let's further assume thattail.exeshould be terminated, oncehttpd.exeexits (example 1). That script contains the following line to start these children:Why
--waitwouldn't doThe
--waitparameter wouldn't make any sense here, because I would not know which process needs to be killed. Even if I would run thesplit-panefrom within thenew-tab-session's commandline, I still would not know the PID of thetail.exe.Of course, this is a simplified example. But let's assume the path to the log file contains the PID of
httpd.exe(example 2). Or that the second command is not just atail.exe, but maybe something that needs to kill thehttpd.exeif a certain entry appears in the log (example 3), or a certain file is appearing in the file system (e.g./path/to/request.httpd.stop). How would these processes know the PID ofhttpd.exe(unless thehttpd.exeitself creates a PID-file)?However, with the
--return-pidI could do something like:Example 1: Kill commandline2 once commandline1 has ended
Example 2: Show log file with PID of commandline1
As such, it would also allow my other example, with the PID of
httpd.exein the path of the log file to be traced:No protocol
On order to avoid the protocol in the STDOUT,
--return-pidcould also be limited towt.execalls that do only have one single command. Hence,wt new-tab --return-pid commandline1; new-tab commandline2would cause a syntax error and fail. Such a command would have to be split intowt new-tab --return-pid commandline1 & wt --return-pid new-tab commandline2. Then there would only ever one integer or an empty string on STDOUT, if--return-pidis set.My previous example 1 would then have to be slightly changed:
Conclusion
--waitwould not help in my use-cases--return-pid, however, would allow for great flexibilitywt.exe focus-tab --child-pid %pid%@zadjii-msft commented on GitHub (Sep 6, 2023):
Sorry for leaving you on read for such a long time here. This is a solid writeup, with good scenarios. I still dunno how I feel about returning the PIDs raw on stdout. It's specifically good for this use case, sure. But it is also totally unprecedented territory here. We've got nothing else that uses
wt's stdout at this time, and no grand plans for it yet. That actually makes me more reluctant to do something like this, specifically because it means if we ever do have some grand plan for stdout, we'd have to square it with this feature.You bring up a point about
--waitspecifically not working for scenarios where you're doing a bunch of subcommands. I'm not sure I totally agree here. Although it might be a bit less ergonomic, you could always do something likeBasically, break the multiple subcommands into separate
wtcalls. The-w 0is a flag towtto tell it "run this command in the current/most recent window". (You could always use something likewt -w httpdor something, to have a specific "httpd" window).I think when it comes to Example 2, now we're really pushing the boundaries of raw shell scripting here. This super feels like the kind of place where a more powerful language (python, go, heck even pwsh) might be called for.
As far as this request particularly, I think I'm inclined to just reject it in this form. There's probably better ways of going about doing what you're looking for. But returning the pids on stdout is probably not the right way.
@martin-rueegg commented on GitHub (Sep 7, 2023):
@zadjii-msft Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated.
Also thank you for the reminder regarding the
-w 0flag.Yet I'm sorry you're making the decision based on some potentially never used feature. Particularly, since there would be always the option to return a syntax error, as mentioned in my No Protocol section. If there would every be such a grand (or even not so grand) feature, that would collide with this, then there could be a documented incompatibility of the two features.
Anyway: Would it be an option to save the PID to an Environment Variable? In this case the "protocol" could be to either
WT_CHILD_PID_0,WT_CHILD_PID_1,WT_CHILD_PID_2..., orWT_CHILD_PID=1234forwt new-tab --return-pid commandline1WT_CHILD_PID=1234;1235forwt new-tab --return-pid commandline1; new-tab commandline2If you could consider such a scenario, should I create a new request or shall we adapt this one to be more specific about the technical details?
@zadjii-msft commented on GitHub (Sep 7, 2023):
I'm pretty sure environment variables wouldn't work either.
wtcould set it for itself, sure, but the environment of the calling shell (cmd,pwsh) would remain unchanged. At that point, reading the env vars of the spawnedwt.exewould require something quite a bit lower level than CMD scripting 😝